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I've been here on DA for around 5 1/2 years now, and for the first 4 years I really didn't even use it.  I posted some sketches and seemed like nobody was paying attention...

But that's quite all right.  I'm not at all externally focused and I know that what others think (especially on the internet, on social networking sites) have absolutely no effect on what I choose to do or how I choose to do it.  So you may ask, "why are you even on here?", and that is a good question.  The reason I post what I do is a clear signal to the "universe" (for the lack of a better term) that this is what I have chosen to do.  It's almost irrelevant what my viewers think of what I am doing because I'm not doing it for them.  But that makes me sound unfriendly..  If you like it, good.  If you don't like it, good.  If you get rude or obnoxious or hypocritical, well that's annoying a little bit:)

So during this last 12 to 15 months I've been posting nude photos and my views have gone from 7000 to 110000.  The categories don't let me choose just "nude", it makes me choose "artistic nude", but whether it's artistic or not in somebody's idea of categories does not matter even a little bit.  But to some of my visitors that seems to be an issue.  I also get a lot of "this is porn".  And that is really what I'd like to talk about.

I think there is probably a clear indication when something is definitely porn; penetration, oral, erections, insertions, dildos, etc.  Also  maybe the fact that they are on commercial pay sites promoting their content as porn, or even the free sites which exist to give samples that drive paying customers.  DA is clearly not one of those places, so if the photos comply with DA policies against porn, it's a little more difficult (it seems for some) to distinguish what is what.  I've seen others discuss this topic and some will point to examples and make references, but let me make this simple for you.

You live in a world of subjective reality.  If you think it's porn, you are right.  If you think it's art, you are right.

For example, when most of us look at cute little 5-year old children, we see kids; noisy dirty energetic lovable kids.  When a pedophile looks at the same kids, he may see sexual objects.  In his reality, he is right, regardless of what the rest of us think.  And you won't convince him otherwise.

So, for you sexually frustrated porn searchers coming here filling up your spank-bank, please stop coming to my page with your penis in your hand and we can keep my page porn-free!!

Thank you:)
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tumorfrog Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015
You live in a world of subjective reality.  If you think it's porn, you are right.  If you think it's art, you are right.

For example, when most of us look at cute little 5-year old children, we see kids; noisy dirty energetic lovable kids.  When a pedophile looks at the same kids, he may see sexual objects.  In his reality, he is right, regardless of what the rest of us think.  And you won't convince him otherwise.


What kind of "right" is the pedophile? 
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scriptsensei Featured By Owner Jan 10, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
obviously what the rest of us consider very wrong, but in their defective minds it seems right..?  
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tumorfrog Featured By Owner Jan 11, 2015
What I'm wondering is what, from your point of view, morality is, with the pedophile as a point of focus. Is it the opinion of the majority? Yet isn't the pedophile as justified, at his core, in trying to act upon his true desires?
BTW, to be sure I am not sending the wrong message, I am against sexualization of children and animals. It is immoral.
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scriptsensei Featured By Owner Jan 14, 2015  Hobbyist Photographer
I think morality is understanding that other beings are just like the self, a child of the planet, and if I have rights then all other beings have those same rights; freedom of choice and speech, freedom to pursue happiness as they see fit and freedom from random victimization for any reason.  A pedophile crosses into unacceptable when they act on their desires thereby invading the rights of another, never mind that it's a helpless child.  I don't know what makes it acceptable for them, but if they're justified then I am equally justified in cutting a pedophile open to see what's defective about them inside since it's my true desire that they stop victimizing children and I am truly curious what makes pedophiles different from us.  Am I not then acting under the terms of conduct that they set as acceptable?
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ElDiabolito Featured By Owner Oct 14, 2014  Professional Filmographer
Good points for sure.  What I don't understand, and find most puzzling of all, is the refusal to accept eroticism in art?  Why can't sex be artistic?  It is in and of itself a CREATIVE process...in fact, one of the most fundamental creative processes inimical to all of life.  The adaptations and evolution of various biological systems over countless millenia are astounding, and are made even more incredible when you consider all of the infinite and diverse methods of social and cultural evolution that form around sex and reproduction.  How is this not art, and why can't it be art?  Because of penises and 'ginies and boobies?  The rationale seems somewhat reductionist and childish.  Art is all of creation, all of experience, and yes, that means both the wondrous AND the profane.  It's what challenges the viewer, and in challenging, evokes emotion - arousal, rage, sadness, awe, joy, bitterness, all the myriad of feelings that we are capable of.  So I say, porn IS art.  It can be a celebration of the animal, the carnal, the flesh and the blood and the fluids that we as high-thinking humans tend to shy from; but sex is our bodies and functions laid bare to an outside party.  It is the sweat and tears and rawness of vulnerability that is frightening...and to many revolting...that is the essence of biological, emotional, HUMAN existence.  Or at least that's my slant on it.  :P
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Flatographer Featured By Owner Oct 5, 2014  Professional Photographer
Exactly.  Hit it right on the head.  

Nobody has been appointed the High Arbiter of Art.  Art isn't defined by its audience, it's defined by the process that brought it to existence.  Someone thought of something.  They created a representation of that thought.  Bingo.  Art.

Great treatise on the topic!
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darknessofanubis Featured By Owner Aug 9, 2014  Hobbyist General Artist
Some thing happened to me! I couldn't get arrested for the first five years I had my page and then when I started posting erotic art like mummy, blueberry, jungle, ect my page views went through the roof! Go figure......
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100100110 Featured By Owner Jun 23, 2014
Bravo! Well said 'sensei.
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Knight501 Featured By Owner May 17, 2014
It is silly that people think every photo that involves nudes is porn, and if that is their definition then why the heck do they click on it anyways? wouldn't they not want to see it up close (not click). Just clicking of it to say that just waste the artist's time.
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xRiStJaN Featured By Owner May 2, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
best and most authentic Journal entry I ve ever read here!
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gaucho-dc Featured By Owner Mar 21, 2014
Thank you !, thank you for making it clear that someone nude form is not porn, that art is not porn to fools so easily offended, intolerant and nude phobic that want  Michelangelo's David wearing shorts !!!
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ARTIST4569 Featured By Owner Mar 18, 2014  Professional Traditional Artist
just because of this journal post i chose to watch your work.  im an artist ( duuu) lol. i have a focus on the female form. the curves, shadows the eyes......sorry got side tracked.  rock on and keep up the awesome work. hell with what otyhers think your right its for your enjoyment. thsats what art is all about.


rock on
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malcite Featured By Owner Mar 13, 2014  Student Digital Artist
I started out that way, using it as a cheap free "porn" site back in the days, but luckily I have grown up since then. Actually I grew into the images in the way that they made me see lights, shades, contrast, color. basically anything that is related to making a photo good.

As for what qualifies as porn, you are right on some points (i think erections are allowed on dA as long as its not being used :P )

But at the same time, we are all human beings here and subject to the same primal urges we all (normally) should feel. The difference is if we choose to control it or not.

All the spunk monkeys that drop by here, for me its fine if they hang around, but like you, I hate seeing "this is porn", and to all the other sly comments that appear (I don't have any images that would provoke such a comment) well, if they visit the site and use it. I think that can be ok, the problem is the comments. So if they could just stop doing that then it would be fine also. Don't you think so?
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scriptsensei Featured By Owner Mar 14, 2014  Hobbyist Photographer
Yes, I agree.  I don't care what kind of reactions people get from the images if they want to discuss it in an open and intelligent way, but when some tool comes by and declares that something is porn it's like they don't even see that there may be hundreds of others who don't necessarily agree, and only their opinion matters.  I don't believe that they're mature enough or sophisticated enough to understand that they are declaring something about themselves and not the image they are looking at.
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malcite Featured By Owner Mar 15, 2014  Student Digital Artist
Or they have a pretty twisted sense of double standards and don't want to let other people do what they want to do, create what they want to create and share it. They want to keep it for themselves.
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SavoEr Featured By Owner Mar 2, 2014  Student General Artist
I completely agree with you! Always, tits, and asses sold products. :lol: Airborne 
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vahid-naziri Featured By Owner Feb 26, 2014
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feloniousmonk Featured By Owner Feb 2, 2014
Well said!
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ThatsMrD Featured By Owner Jan 23, 2014  Hobbyist Writer
I think my writing is porn. Erotica sounds too safe and a bit pretentious.
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peterjdejesus Featured By Owner Dec 24, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
This, right here, is why you have my support.  Awesome post sensei.  Spoken with true intelligence.   I must be careful of my words though.  I don't want to imply that anyone reading this with a different perspective on things might take calling you intelligent as a way of saying their idiots for viewing things differently.   :)   Even if the implication is followed by a sentence saying they just might be, I don't want to lead people to think that their opinion doesn't count, even though it is only their point of view if they beg to differ.  

Thanks for sharing you're great "photography"... there, that should narrow things down for the feeble minded, even though it's not a simple category.
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mlidikay Featured By Owner Dec 18, 2013  Professional Photographer
Your work is very good, no question about it being artistic.

 I think DA needs another section for deviant porn for the people that want to post bad pictures of naked women and the people that any naked picture is fantastic.  
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davilaf901 Featured By Owner Dec 4, 2013
Haha!
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regilio11 Featured By Owner Oct 4, 2013
Bravo Henry, everything is subjective !
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RejZoR Featured By Owner Sep 30, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Hehe, someone noticed that sex sells better than "just" art. Noticed the same myself. Though i also have to agree that you have some pretty good nude photos from an artistic standpoint. Or just by the fact that some of the girls are really interesting to look at, even if they aren't posing in any explicit way. I'm a sucker for pretty eyes, cute or interesting hair styles or just girls that are pretty in general (for me). I quite often +Fav otherwise nude photos just because the girl had the most amazing eyes, completely ignoring the fact she was exposing her breasts or other intimate parts of her body.

Btw i've checked your early stuff, the drawings and they are pretty damn good. I'm not much into drawn portraits personally, but i can't deny the fact that they are technically very good.
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corvinius9 Featured By Owner Sep 28, 2013
I couldn't have said it better myself.
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piacere-solitario Featured By Owner Sep 17, 2013
I like these photos, they celebrate female beauty without silly hypocrisy.
Mr Henry Choi, I have become an admirer of your job. Thanks.
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Elissabeta Featured By Owner Aug 22, 2013
Spoken like a true artist.  I have been through your entire gallery.  I CANNOT see ONE representation that you have made that even reminds me of porn.  Erotic?  Yes.  Sensual?  Yes.  Artistic?  Yes.  Any artist who works with a medium, no matter if it's oils, chalk, pen, camera, clay strives for one thing.  To elicit an EMOTIONAL response from the viewer.  That is usually thanks enough to the artist...well people buying works is also good, but anyhow...

~Scissm  The female body may be a creation of nature, but it is the artist that captures that view.
~Althanzaire  High grade porn is shot in HD.  Go back to pornhub please.
~Gaelic-nautilus  I think you are mistaken.  PORN applies to images and subjective matter that makes me think of Merriam-Webster:

1
: the depiction of erotic behavior (as in pictures or writing) intended to cause sexual excitement
2
: material (as books or a photograph) that depicts erotic behavior and is intended to cause sexual excitement
3
: the depiction of acts in a sensational manner so as to arouse a quick intense emotional reaction

That's verbatim btw.  I will assume you have likes and dislikes.  If you can define arousal in this context then all art is porn.  I personally get excited on a rollercoaster, and I'm not looking at the lady next to me.

~IvanRostoff Thank you.  Turn off the filter.  Conversely, take your pics to Flickr, or whatever.

~Pyrosynthesist  As much as I like the comment about studying nudes for artistic reference.  Kudos.  Please realize that although you are an artist, you are also providing entertainment.  Nudes sell and they get huge hits, if you can define the REAL difference between "porn" and "art".  Even artists have to eat and pay their internet.

I could go on.  I'm an artist, my media is music.  I personally like coming here, not for my deviant preferences, but looking for album covers and impetus for compositional regard.  I have used four pieces of media from this site for albums and will continue to get musical creative juices flowing by finding emotion in a work of art.

Reading all the posts, The support is overwhelming....If you get some negative comments, please refer them to Farmville2 on facebook.

Peace

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WesCoastModel Featured By Owner Aug 19, 2013  Professional General Artist
Well spoken! Props to you sir!

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Scissm Featured By Owner Aug 15, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist

In my humble opinion, your gallery is far from porn but also far from being "Art"

It is a collection of nude female photograph's of wich a few have some artistic value.

The human body is a peace of "Art" created by Nature....

 

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Althazaire Featured By Owner Jul 22, 2013
You make high grade porn
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robertneil64 Featured By Owner Jul 13, 2013  Professional Photographer
So well put...You have given so many so much to ponder. I do not think of your work as porn and agree with you that each person must decide for themselves what is porn and what is art. Then there are those of us who feel some porn can be art. Keep up the great work, and I will continue to follow your page here.
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bandots Featured By Owner Jun 8, 2013
thx for share henry
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Uniquely-Designed Featured By Owner Jun 4, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
i love this journal
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chaoswolf1982 Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
Brilliantly stated.
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CorSecAgent Featured By Owner May 31, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I think it's musical theatre but that could be the beer talking... LOL

All kidding aside, you're absolutely right. There is a difference between art and porn and people clearly have no definite clue as to where that line is drawn.
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Gaelic-nautilus Featured By Owner May 29, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Nice piece. In some things you are right.

All I can say is that there are rules on this site with what is and what isn't sexually explicit or pornographic images. I think they are quite black and white in terms of what the rules are.
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IvanRostoff Featured By Owner May 21, 2013
The thing that gets me is, what is their state of mind? What do they hope to accomplish? If they want all nudes off the internet and they think you can do something about it, they are crazy. Really really really bat ass la la NUTS! If they think they can clean up Deviant Art one person at a time, still pretty crazy. If they don't want to see nude photos, there is a simple solution. Turn on the adult content filter.

They chose to join Deviant Art. Casual viewers are NOT able to see nude deviations. You have to become a member. They chose to turn the adult filter off. When you first join the adult filter is ON. YOU have to turn it off. They are not accidentally seeing your nudes. They chose to. They made two choices that allow them to see nude photos, choices they can undo anytime they want. They chose to look at nudes. They need to accept their own heart and stop blaming other people.
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Shadowdemonicy Featured By Owner Apr 10, 2013
Amen! :) The reality of a human's body being an artistic subject just blows those bean-heads out there. A human's body is an art form as much as any other thing in this world. I understand that people have the option to look at the material value of things, but ignorance and being unprofessional is just unless bickering.

Those of you that do not know art when you see it should mind your own business, just be simple-minded and live your life. Let the world pass you by, while the artistic minds deal with natural beauties in this world. Thank you for making this journal, regardless of those who cannot look at life in a different perspective. Yes, images of nudity can be controversial, but it does not have to be. I wonder, "How many people have a problem with Adam and Eve being brought into this world in all nudity?" That was just to make an example and point about this issue.

This is just my opinions on the subject, but I am glad there are people in this world who can admire what God has created. Thanks again! :)
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edwardwoodwould Featured By Owner Apr 5, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
bravo
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Pyrosynthesist Featured By Owner Mar 28, 2013  Professional Digital Artist
As a struggling and beginning artist, I often look for nudes purely as study reference to help me further my skill set and develop my artistic knowledge so that I may one day work in this challenging field.

It really does sadden me when narrow-minded people, feel that just because there is nudity, it must instantly be porn. If they stare at their girlfriend/boyfriend/wife/husband naked, does that mean that they are engaging in pornographic activity or that what they are seeing is pornographic in nature? They would more than likely disagree with that statement, and comment something like "It's just them naked, not porno", yet they then comment on nude pictures which are in no way pornographic at all, and label it as 'porn'. Contradiction, much?

It really is sad that people cannot differentiate between artistic and pornographic. I feel sorry for those who cannot see the beauty in things, and are driven by what society (&/or possibly religion) has deemed to be correct and true, because they lack the knowledge and understanding of finer things in life. If you think all nude shots are porn, then I really do feel sorry for you.

Plus, not only is that insulting to a photographer, but it's more than rude to a model. It takes a lot of guts to be able to take your clothes off and be photographed naked. As a woman, I lack those guts, so when I see women who -can- do it, it is a beautiful sight.

Script - Your work is amazing and I love to stare at it. Your models are beautiful and everything you all do together is artistic. Please keep going (:
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Rivan81 Featured By Owner Mar 16, 2013
A Bow for you Sensei! Bravo! Well said! :) Perspective is everything.
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User1134 Featured By Owner Mar 10, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
I 100% Agree, You Have An Awesome Point Here!
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khalidnazeer Featured By Owner Mar 4, 2013  Professional Photographer
The line between pornography and art has always been penetration,but done well, with the proper lighting and technique even a photo with penetration can be deemed as art. Art is in the eye of the beholder! Think about the narrow minded censorship that places a black strip on a photo of a women's breast to conceal her nipples. Her whole breast can shown but god forbid that we see her erect nipple. Is it erect because she's cold or aroused ,or both? That's the narrow minded reason for the black strip.
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StudioSomnium Featured By Owner Feb 28, 2013  Professional Photographer
Well said.
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biamilani Featured By Owner Feb 15, 2013
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It seems like vaginas have been haunting humanity in art for a long time. It is kind of incredible how people can keep the same way of thinking for centuries, and yet, consider themselves "evolved".
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Meema Featured By Owner Feb 14, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
Well said.
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clokverkorange Featured By Owner Feb 12, 2013
Honestly, I don't think the line between artistic nude and porn is all that clearly defined. When I look at a beautiful nude model, it's not with detached unemotional interest - humans are designed to respond to attractive members of the opposite gender. There's nothing wrong with looking at the nude form of either gender and feeling something sexual. It's actually abnormal not to. It's a good thing - if we DIDNT have sexual feelings, the human race would die out pretty quickly.

The difference is when I look at a nude and think "Wow, she's gorgeous", I don't immediately have an urge to whip off my trousers and go to work, in the same way that if I read something tragic I don't go in the closet and kill myself. Intelligent people can look at something, understand the feelings that it arouses in them, and value that, rather than just think "oh she's naked i want to sex her vagina" like an unevolved ape.
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romahal Featured By Owner May 14, 2013  Hobbyist Digital Artist
Muito bem observado:

As pessoas inteligentes podem olhar para algo, compreender os sentimentos que ele desperta neles, e um valor que, ao invés de apenas pensar "oh ela está nua eu quero sexo vagina"

grande!
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salty-dreams Featured By Owner Feb 9, 2013  Hobbyist General Artist
every woman who's photo is here did it on her own free will, it is not degrading a woman, it may only be degrading if she refused to do it and you went on and did it. if any woman is feeling degraded it is her problem, it is not her body. we all know what a body looks like so there really is not much mistery about it. porn or art? why even bother to comment such a thing, why go to a photo of a vagina and say it is porn? why not say, this is excessive and does not represent true artistic vision but rather a focus of the photographer displaying his own internal mind and desires? then again, what is art if not one's desires and wantings? i will not draw a horse for i just happen to like him, i will draw him for i amdire his beauty, desire to research animal form, just for example. to summon up, if you say it is porn, can you explain why? or is your only argument "it is porn"? not you, of course, but people saying it. if you do not like an image, show some humanity and inteligence and at least explain yourself why do you see it as porn. saying "because it is vagina" means you see sex as dirty, a vagina as dirty and porn and then you would have some deeper issues then looking at porn. art. porn. or art. so, people, who cares if it is porn or art, why do you bother to come and look at it if it disgust you so?? or for stating it is porn. what do you have to obtain by saying it?
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aaaa0000aaaaa Featured By Owner Feb 6, 2013  Hobbyist Photographer
It is nice to see the words you used. Pointing out that your not being politically correct is my point, not sucking the tit of the "offended". I don't know when the society turned from reality to trying to protect everyone from every one. You never know when you will be the target of the pointed finger. I would like to see more "frank" talk. Because reality is reality, and bitching about it will not change the facts of reality. I once had some one tell me he was offended at me, wile I was at work, he expected me to back down from my side of my view. I think I figuratively knocked him out with my words.
I told him that although he was offended at me, I was offended much more at him because, he could not accept my side of the argument. my level of being offended was, so much grater than his offense at me, that his being offended at me was no longer a valid point. He was so bewildered. It is a fascinating thing to pull on the "I am offended" crowd, they don't know what to say. You can never not offend anyone that may be in the crowd. Some one will not like what ever they don't like. If it dose not pick my pocket of hurt me what the hell do I care what you do. By the way I am not offended at your work.
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